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#1 09-07-2010 18:59:43

Bengie
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What Server Software?

I have a P4 with all the bells and whistles and want to use it as a server. 

I have personal space on the Virgin servers given for free, but I keep filling it up so want a server of my own.

The pictures etc; that I drop onto forums etc is what I store there mainly and that is what I want the server to be able to do, to enter a url into the [img] and it show only coming from my server and not Virgins.

Now I know nothing about servers (except what they do in general), so could anyone offer me some advice on the software to use please.
I want to use Microsoft server software and not Linux, but there is such an array of Microsoft server stuff that I am at a loss as to which one will do what I require.

Any suggestions?


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#2 09-07-2010 21:24:38

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Re: What Server Software?

Server is basically a role (feel free to correct me) rather than a machine or piece of software although certain hardware types and software are geared for the demands of a PC being used as one.

I would presume you mean a file server basically which is what most people would mean as a central storage area allowing for ease of backup and taking the load off of other machines and removing the need for duplication.  You can do this with any hardware and modern operating system although quieter and more reliable systems commonly referred to as Enterprise class are most likely in a business environment.  For me a good reliable network card or quality mainboard LAN and the better hard drives are the big difference as in a file server these are what I feel are the key areas.  RAM is fairly cheap and CPU's fast and multi core so these aren't the concern they used to be in the single core days of old.

I can't comment on software but hardware wise you need to consider a PC running 24/7 and the attendant noise or heat as well as cost compared to online storage options.


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#3 09-07-2010 23:31:17

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Re: What Server Software?

Thanks Silkie.  I've been trying to have a read around and after visiting a million sites about servers, server os and how to set up ....., not one of them actually explains how to do anything unless I'm just thick and don't understand what they are on about, ( well I certainly don't understand what they are on about).

There is no one that says 'if you want to do this, then you need this', they just waffle on about ASP, SQL or Pearl or something but don't say what that is, so I am even more in the dark than before. 

Am I to believe that there isn't an actual 'server operating system'? which seems to be what these 'how to' sites are saying but not in so many words.  I was of the belief that you had Windows for home and Server OS for, well, servers.  Am I wrong about that?

I am open to suggestion on what to read to glean some info.


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#4 10-07-2010 01:19:03

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Re: What Server Software?

I'm not the best person to talk to for that unfortunately.  I look at it as an operating system that is geared to the role rather than one that will just do it so that you gain the advantages of it being designed for the tasks needed.

Sort of like how you can use any tool for certain tasks but the most efficient is the one meant specifically for the job in hand.  Server operating systems usually have superior memory handling abilities and tools for monitoring operations and fault finding to aid setup of accounts.  You can do it with something like XP but it would require a fair bit of tweaking for certain things as for starters it has limits on simultaneous connections as part of their patching against malware.

Still as I said I'm not the best person for the advice you need so hopefully one of the others who are more experienced on this side of things can help.  I'm stronger on hardware than software and even there I could stand a few refresher courses at college.


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#5 10-07-2010 12:24:47

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Re: What Server Software?

I've done a lot of reading and all of it inconclusive or meaningless.  Under search heading such as 'What is a server' and 'What server software' as well as a multitude of others that I could think up, none actually answers the question.
There are a lot of sites, but they just waffle on about SQL and Pearl and not one came up with a defination that anyone would understand.
They start off with sentences like - "So you know absolutely nothing about a server and want to learn" and even "For novices who don't even know what a server is or what it does.." and then they all jump in at the deep end of physics or some other martian language.

I would have liked something that says 'A server is basically just a computer, any computer, and what it does is ....' etc; I know all that, but would have liked someone to have continued in the way they started instead of coming up with a blackboard full of formula that baffles and don't help in any way.

It's not the piece of equipment that interests me, but the software and which piece of software does what.

Can anyone give me a straight answer to this [img]bengie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/picture.jpg[img], (I don't have an image called 'picture' and have left the ending slant from image purposely).  What software is in use on the Virgin Server that is allowing the call to that img address, is it a data, web, terminal or even an email server, that is what I would like to find out.

Sort of like how you can use any tool for certain tasks but the most efficient is the one meant specifically for the job in hand.

That's the sort of question I would like answered.

The titles of Microsofts server software gives no clues to what it actually does or can be used for.

Last edited by Bengie (10-07-2010 12:32:11)


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#6 10-07-2010 14:22:05

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Re: What Server Software?

The chief thing you'll notice that's different with Microsoft's Server OS is that it's licensed for multiple CPUs and multiple users, while XP Pro (for example) supports only two CPUs and 10 users (e.g. no more than ten people can connect at the same time to a share to access files on it).

If all you want to do is to allow people to access files, pictures, web pages, that kind of thing, on your local PC, then the server you need to run is one that supports that function. They'll be accessed using the HTTP protocol, so you need to run a web server. Microsoft does one called IIS (Internet Information Services), which also supports FTP for file transfer.

You might be better off looking at Apache, which is free and nothing to do with Microsoft, but it also depends on what else you want to do. If you want to create active or dynamic web pages using a scripting language, you could use ASP (runs on IIS) or PHP (runs on Apache), for example.


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#7 10-07-2010 19:45:33

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Re: What Server Software?

if your looking to run a server of any kind this might fit the bill http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html I used to use this for a forum and website a few years ago you would also need to sign up for some kind of free DNS service like this http://www.no-ip.com


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#8 23-07-2010 07:31:19

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Re: What Server Software?

In addition to what other people have said here's my take on it.

It does depend on what you want to do.

You can either run a dedicated machine with server O/S and usually have all the 'bells and whistles' of a corporate network  or run specific server software software on your desktop.

For server o/s The main choices are Micro$oft server - expensive - needs a powerfull machine
Or Linux (there are other options)
I'd recommend Ubuntu server - can run on a low end machine   (I run one on an old PIII700 laptop) do not be put  off by  linux, this is  easier to install than Microsoft, smaller footprint, faster, more stable, more secure  and virtually self maintaining.
Also you do not require anti virus (although you can install it primarily to check throughput for viruses).

It sounds like you just want to serve web pages etc.
If you do not want a dedicated machine Xampp is free and definitely one of the best web servers for home use.  I use it.  It's based on Apache which runs 90% of internet websites.

If all you want to do is server web pages, ftp files on-line etc then my recommendation would be pay for proper hosting.
Obviously this costs. However I worked out that there was not much difference in cost between hosting and electricity costs for running a machine 24/7.


I use www.webhosting.uk.com at £25.00 per year they offer everything I need, so far their support has been exceptionally good and you get a free domain name of your choice which makes things simpler.

(PS. this in not an advert, I use recently switched to them because I was fed up with the crippled capability of virgin websites and was so impressed with them)


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